Nibiru – Transcript: Elizabeth Clare Prophet’s 1986 interview with Zecharia Sitchin, author of The 12 Planet.
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Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Please continue on this concept of the birth goddesses.
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, this is how, according to the Sumerians, our ancestors, you and I, have come to be on this Earth. And what I want to stress here, because some people don’t grasp it or don’t follow it willingly, perhaps, is that there’s absolutely no conflict between evolution and the Bible. The Bible, as I understand it based on the Sumerian sources, because according to the Sumerians, there was evolution on Earth.
What they said is that when Marduk or Nibiru collided with Tiamat, breaking it up into halves, and Earth was one of those halves, the seed of life was passed by Nibiru, Marduk, to Earth. In other words, according to the Sumerian beliefs, and this is also my philosophy, universal belief, is that life was brought into our solar system by the means of Nibiru from another solar system. The seed of life, therefore, was passed from it to Earth about 4 billion years ago. Then, evolution began on both planets, on Marduk and on Earth. Since Marduk had it before, the process was a little more advanced when they came here.
When they came to Earth through the same seed of life, they found also evolutionary development, but not as advanced as theirs. And therefore, they did what I would call they ‘jumped the gun’ on evolution. I believe that we Homo sapiens would have evolved on Earth anyway, but in 5 million or 10 or 20 million, I don’t know how long, they ‘jumped the gun.’
The verses I’m going back to the beginning of all my researches and my interest in the subject, in chapter six of Genesis, that say that they ‘married the daughters of men.’ And the English translation, again, would be that ‘and they saw that they were good,’ the daughters of men. This is not the Hebrew term. The Hebrew term means that ‘and they saw or they found out that they were compatible.’
Because unless they had the same genetic makeup, how could they have children? So they came here, and they found evolution. Ape-woman, not to use, you know, too scientific terminology, they jumped the gun, they created us, and we were compatible with them.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet:
And the chief thing they were looking for was the thumb, the ability to work the mines
Zecharia Sitchin:
At the beginning. Now, what happened was that, as more of us came into being, and the tale of the Garden of Eden is really the tale of how Homo sapiens was given the ability to procreate, because, as I suppose some of our audience and readers know, hybrids like mules cannot procreate. And that was the problem with the early Homo sapiens. They just had to employ the so-called birth goddesses, you know, implant the fertilized eggs, wait for them to give birth. And, you know, how long could you do that?
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So, again, Enki, his half-sister developed the second phase in our evolution to give us the ability to procreate by adding one chromosome to our genes. So, as men developed and filled up the Earth and undertook other tasks besides the mines, agriculture, growing food, growing sheep, and other domesticated animals, a watershed event happened, not just physically, literally, but also conceptually, and that was the great flood, the Deluge, which, according also to the Bible, after that, the whole relationship between the Elohim, the plural term used in the Bible, and mankind changed, because once Earth was completely devastated, the only way to continue surviving on Earth, which they had to do for their needed gold, was to make men a partner, no longer a servant, but a partner to life, to civilization on Earth.
And it was after that that they divided the Earth into four regions.
They were still lords, they were still masters, but they created the institution of kingship, which we still have to this day. And they gave men three regions. They did keep one region for themselves, the So-called sacred or unapproachable region, where they set up their space facilities, because Sippar, the prediluvian spaceport, was also wiped out by the Deluge.
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They needed a new one. And that region, as I show in the new book, was in the Sinai Peninsula. Just like I asked the teacher years ago, ‘Who were the Nephilim?’ I asked myself, ‘What’s so special about the Sinai Peninsula?’
Because there’s nothing there… now, the Sinai Peninsula, because there was nothing there, because there were no rivers there that could sustain a civilization, agricultural cities, was selected by them to be what they called the fourth, the sacred region. And all those lands surrounding it, including Jerusalem, including Lebanon, the so-called lands of the Bible, were really called in those ancient times the lands of Shem.
All the lands in between Mesopotamia, which used to be the place of the spaceport, of their first settlements, and the lands that were dust after the Deluge, Lebanon, Canaan, the Sinai Peninsula, were the lands of Shem. And what the Shem meant, rocket ship. They were the lands of the rocket ships, and the people descended of Shem inhabited the lands of the rocket ships. Now, I show the scheme of the spaceport, the landing corridor to it, and where its anchors were.
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Sitchin shows a scheme of the spaceport, the landing corridor to it, and where its anchors were.
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And as you can see, the center was Jerusalem. Jerusalem was called also in the Bible the ‘navel of the Earth.’ Again, nobody stopped to ask why it was called the ‘navel of the Earth,’ because it was the center of this whole grid for landing on Earth. The anchor was Mount Ararat, which in the biblical tale and in the Sumerian tale it was called the Mount of Salvation, where Noah’s Ark landed and where they came after the Deluge when they landed from their orbiting spacecraft.
The landing corridor passed through a place called today Baalbek. It’s now, unfortunately, the center of many of the terrorist organizations in the Middle East but still existing there. Going back according to local legends to the times before the Deluge, there is a vast platform paved with huge stones and about half a million square feet.
In its base supporting a certain section of it, there are stone blocks that are many of them weighing 600 tons. For example, the largest stones in the pyramids weigh 200 tons, so you get a comparison.
So there is a vast platform on which ancient peoples built temples. In an of its sacredness, what we see today are ruins of Roman temples. Some of them are the largest temples ever built by the Romans. The largest temples built by the Romans are not in Rome but they are at that place, Baalbek.
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And in ancient times, that was the place to which Gilgamesh went on one of his journeys trying to be taken aloft. Now, supporting a section where very heavy loads must have been placed like the stationing or the coming down of a rocket ship, were those blocks weighing 600 tons and some of them 1,100 tons. Now, even today, we do not have a piece of equipment that can lift 1,100 tons.
We know where those blocks were quarried because one of them was found still lying in situ, half quarried and partly uncarved in a place in the valley not far from Baalbek. And in antiquity and according to the legends before the Deluge, someone quarried those blocks, lifted them, took them up a mountain a few miles away, 4,000 feet up, and actually placed them precisely to fit one another without mortar, without cement, but you cannot even insert a razor blade.
I think I have here one of the sketches. This is the one lying in situ. You can see that little wildebeest on top of it. That’s a man sitting on that block, which gives you an idea of the size of it.

Stone blocks at Baalbek site weighing 600 tons and some of them 1,100 tons. Even today, we do not have a piece of equipment that can lift them.
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Stone blocks at Baalbek site weighing 600 tons and some of them 1,100 tons. Even today, we do not have a piece of equipment that can lift them.
Now, this is one of them. Actually, there are three of them in place at the base of the platform, which stretches way behind. There again, you can see a man here and this is the relationship. So someone in antiquity could have done had actually achieved that.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: How do you think they did it?
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, I just assumed that they had the technology. If they could fly in space and do other things, they probably had the technology. Some, since having read this in my book, say, “Well, maybe they had anti-gravity capabilities.” Perhaps. I don’t know.
But anyway, that place is here in Baalbek, which is part of this landing grade. This is Jerusalem. This is Mount Ararat. Now, this landing corridor had to have two beacons at each end. Here, they built artificial beacons, two artificial mountains.
That’s what they were called, the artificial mountains, which we call the Great Pyramids of Giza. They were not built by any Pharaoh. They were built by them, right after the Deluge. And here, they selected two mountains, which are sacred to this day.
These two mountains near the monastery of Santa Katarina. One of them is called Mount Moses. The other is called by an adjoining name not too familiar to people, but there are actually two mountains here and two mountains here. And this was the reason for the Sinai Peninsula being sacred to this very day.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet:
It’s most interesting. I remember standing at Baalbek in 1972 and spending a considerable time there and of course never dreaming of the implications that you’re telling us.
Zecharia Sitchin:
Were you at the southwestern corner where this huge platform, the massive platform is, where the six pillars are still standing?
Elizabeth Clare Prophet:
We went where all the ruins were of Rome and wherever the guides took us, we spent a good day there. So perhaps we were right there.
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, you stood where the Nephilim had stood.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: We were very conscious of the vibrations of the place.
Zecharia Sitchin:
There are many, many, many subterranean structures, tunnels, which have not yet been entered. There were several attempts made to penetrate the platform, the stone platform, and see what’s under it, but they all failed. Nobody could break through.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: So in fact, we don’t know what’s under.
Zecharia Sitchin:
We don’t know. Well, in the Epic of Gilgamesh telling his adventures, going to that place, there is a mention that he found the entrance to the tunnel of the Anunnaki under the platform. But the last minute, he was prevented from entering by Ishtar, the goddess we have just seen. She didn’t let him go in.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: She prevailed at the door.
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, it’s really, there was more to it. She wanted the price of permission was for him to make love to her and he knew that no mortal making love to her would remain alive. So he withstood the temptation. There’s a lot of hanky-panky going on, too with Gilgamesh. - (Audience laugh)
Elizabeth Clare Prophet:
Of course, Gilgamesh did ultimately go on to find the secret of their eternal well.
Zecharia Sitchin:
He went. He went. His next journey was to the Sinai Peninsula.
It was the second destination. The Epic of Gilgamesh actually calls that the place of the missiles. The Baalbek site is called in the Epic of Gilgamesh, the landing place. The other one is called the site of the or the land of the missiles. He went.
He made a lot of headway there. And he met there, according to the Sumerian tale, he met there none other than Noah, who was still alive, though thousands of years had passed since the Deluge because um, the brother and Enli had promised Noah that he would be saved from men’s fate to die because he was the hero of the Deluge and helped preserve the seed of mankind.
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And Gilgamesh went there, deeming Noah or in his Sumerian name, Utnapishtim, deeming him to be one of his ancestors. Gilgamesh also believed like pharaohs or like Alexander much later after him, believed that he is entitled to escape mortality because his mother was a goddess. And indeed, this is an interesting detail that because in his case, the mother was a goddess, not the father, as Alexander had believed or claimed, he was considered two-thirds divine, not just half.
And he therefore argued with some of the Anunnaki leaders. He said, “If I’m two thirds divine of your genetic material, why should I die like a mortal?”
And when he went in his search for immortality, reaching the place in the Sinai Peninsula, discovering Utnapishtim, or the biblical Noah there, and saying to him, “Since you have lived so long, thousands of years, tell me the secret. How come you are still alive? How come did you, a man from thousands of years ago, look like me?”
That was, by the way, one of his questions. And it is there in that Epic of Gilgamesh that the story of the Deluge is told. This is where scholars have found the so-called Babylonian, Mesopotamian, Sumerian tale of the Deluge.
This hero of the Deluge tells him, “Since you have found me, let me tell you what happened,” and tells him the story of the Deluge, of the Ark, how he was saved, how he saved the seed of mankind, and therefore he was granted longevity. But he said, “Since there’s no other Deluge, how can you attain immortality?”
So Gilgamesh started to cry and beg for some way. So he said, “There is a well in the Sinai Peninsula.” This was really one of the places that Alexander was looking for, the source of the waters of life. He says, “There is a well within which there grows a plant. If you would dive down and find the plant and take it with you and eat of it each time that you get older, if you would eat of it, you would be forever young. That is how you will escape mortality.”
This is, by the way, the story of Ponce de León, you know, looking for the Fountain of Youth. So Gilgamesh dived according to his epic tale, found the plant, and was wandering back to his city, Uruk, in Mesopotamia. But when he stopped to bathe in a brook, a serpent came and stole the plant.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet:
What was the fate of Noah, since he was supposed to be immortal?
Zecharia Sitchin:
No, he was not immortal. He was given longevity. Eventually, he died because they, too, the Nephilim, there are tales of how they died. There are tales of how they were revived, brought back to life from death. And there are tales, which I haven’t told yet, but I’m keeping them for the next book, of how they died because if we believe that any of them were born, then we must believe that some of them have died. I don’t think there can be birth without death. So we are talking here about incredible longevity
Elizabeth Clare Prophet:
That’s right. Three thousand six hundred years to our one year. To our one year. Does that really mean they do not age more than we do in one year in three thousand six hundred years?
Zecharia Sitchin:
Yes. Well, if you look here at Enki, in my estimate, he was about, I would say, a hundred and forty years old in their terms. One hundred and forty times three thousand six hundred, three thousand six hundred, right?
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Is he alive today?
Zecharia Sitchin:
I don’t know. I don’t think he’s on our planet anymore. But whether he’s back alive on their planet, I don’t know.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Well, considering that these Nephilim are in a certain aspect messengers, they bring science, they bring technology. What about the Malakim and other types of messengers?
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, as you implied, what you just said, Malakim, which is translated angels, really means emissaries, messengers. And even the Nephilim, who some ancient peoples, especially the Greeks, considered as divine beings, I think whatever they did on Earth, coming here for gold supposedly, they thought they’re coming for gold, but maybe they were really sent to bring us about. And in that respect, they were just carrying out somebody else’s divine plan. They, too, were just Malakim or emissaries.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: There is evidence that the National Security Council has extensive documentation of such extraterrestrial landings. What do you think of their evidence and what do they say about it?
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, I have not seen the evidence that they’re keeping secret. I know that one instance which I mentioned of the findings by Iras the infrared telescopic stations which have been also suppressed.
And again, this brings me to the question for which I don’t have an answer and maybe it has either political or international or military or maybe even religious reasons behind it and that is what is the fear of saying or admitting or having an open mind about the possibility that we are not alone in our solar system.
As I said, I don’t understand it, but others must have reasons and I don’t have the answer to that.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Most people don’t understand this.
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, so I’m in good company.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Most of us have watched the Air Force cover up of space landings hangar. There was a movie showing that cover-up, and we know they cover it up. But why? Is it true? What will we find out? What else will we find out?
Zecharia Sitchin: Do you have a theory why they are doing this?
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Well, I can only ask the question: if we find this out, what more will we find out that they don’t want us to know about our own development or cooperation with extraterrestrials or what is going on in the polar caps?
What is going on under the Earth or in the sea? We understand the technology of spacecraft can go at great depth under the sea. You pointed out that Noah’s Ark was the design of a modern-equipped submarine that could endure this flood.

ARK scene from movie 2012
So the technology is great, and the concealment… I don’t know. Are the Nephilim here today? Are they in our governments? Is it they who don’t want us to know too much?
You talk of population control, allowing the starvation of the people at the time of the flood, which we think coincides with the date of the sinking of Atlantis.
Are there Nephilim among us today? And are there powers that be that feel that they are in control of the rest of us and therefore are keeping secrets for their own reasons?
Zecharia Sitchin:
That is one interesting theory, but I don’t know.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: We talk about the longevity of Nephilim, but we could also talk about their presence, the reincarnation of the Anunnaki and therefore the presence in our midst of various evolutions. We see that there is a wide variety of evolution, development of intelligence, different types of bodies, cultures, traditions, religions.
So Earth seems to be at a crossroads of various sorts of evolutions that could have come in the same way those came from the one planet, the 12 Planet.
Zecharia Sitchin:
I would definitely agree with you that even if we are not aware or cognizant of their presence, even if they have left at some point, they’ve not abandoned neither Earth nor us. They definitely, if they left, they intend to come back.
They definitely, um, let at least some people on Earth be the guardians or the continuers of their civilization, their teachings, their technology. They may well be behind our own advances into space.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Apparently, there are some people in the world today who do feel that they are the ones, uh, almost divinely ordained to make decisions for everyone else. We find very powerful people in various types of occupations, and they seem to be in control no matter what the people do.
And those whom we are taught to believe are our enemies, we find that the leaders of both sides cooperate in various areas. So although we’re taught there are enemies, there is vast cooperation. So it seems that either appointed or anointed ones or some actual race slightly different than the rest of humanity is, in fact, in control of war.
War seems to be the dominating factor in the world today, and rivalries. And when you see who’s whose rival, they seem to have very similar characteristics. Which brings us to your third book about the wars of gods and men and who did bring war here and why.
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, the reasons for their own wars were very, very human, if one could put it that way. They started to quarrel about the rule and succession on their own planet, and those rivalries were transferred to Earth because of the two half-brothers and their sons.
According to their rules of succession, if, say, Anu, the new ruler on the planet, had a son who was the firstborn, Enki. He was the crown prince, so to say. He was the heir because he was the firstborn son. But if at any time afterwards, a son was born to Anu by a half-sister of Anu from the same father but not from the same mother, then that new son was the legal heir, not the firstborn, but the legal heir, and he superseded, in the order of succession, the firstborn.
And in that case, it was Enlil. Enlil was born to Anu by a half-sister of Anu. And there are many texts where Enki cries out and says, ‘I am the firstborn. Why am I not the one to succeed on the throne?’ If we want to use that word of Nibiru. But he was not entitled to it. And just as there were conflicts between the sons of Abraham and between the sons of his sons, who was the firstborn, who was born by the favorite wife, who was born by a handmaiden, you know, Esau and Isaac, you find that this was the problem among them.
For example, I mentioned the chief medical officer, Ningishzidda, who was a half-sister of both of them, of Enki and Enlil. Now, Enlil, though he was later married to a nurse who became his wife, a young nurse who became his wife, he had, though he never married his half-sister, he had a son by her, called Ninurta. Enki made tremendous efforts.
He seduced his sister to have also a son by her, but he never succeeded in having a male son by his half-sister. And Enlil did. Now, he had a firstborn son whom the Babylonians called Marduk and venerated eventually as their supreme god, supreme lord. And then there was this conflict about the son of the firstborn and the legal heir of the legal heir. Who of them is entitled to be lord of Earth? And there were wars and conflicts resulting from that.
So their wars and their conflicts, maybe I should say, I’m sorry to say, or maybe it’s disappointing to hear, but this is the truth. This is what comes out from those tales, where for very human-like reasons, one war that I term the pyramid wars was really against the background of what is no less than a Romeo and Juliet love affair between Ishtar, who belonged to the house of Enlil, and the youngest son of Enki. And the oldest son, Marduk, opposed the marriage, and there was conflict and warfare on that basis as well.
And it was in an instance that many things, if not all the things I say right about, could be described as incredible. But the most incredible think perhaps, is that there is an Egyptian text naming the date, the year, in their calendar on Earth, when it was the first time in a struggle between the so-called two so-called Egyptian gods, Horus and Set, descendants, all of Enki, where humans were enlisted or conscripted for the first time to join their battles. That was the first time, and it’s recorded incredibly with the date when for the first time we were taught to use weapons and to go fight each other in their causes, not in our causes.
And that is how men learned to make war.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet : And that’s what we feel is happening to us today..
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, but who is driving us today? I don’t know. Either those mysterious beings or our own greed.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Well, we’re lined up on battlefields for defending causes of capitalist corporations or Soviet governments or not for real reasons of freedom we’re we’re lined up to defend interesting Mad Men who’ve decided they want more territory and we don’t want more territory.
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, if you read the third book, which deals with events 9,000 years ago, 8,000, 4,000, and 2,000 years ago when nuclear weapons, I show, were used for the first time on Earth, you find the same, the same, no reasons for having Wars.
Reading Suggestion: 2000 B.C. Atomic Destruction
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Well, you show very effectively the rivalries that brought about that nuclear war, that was the destruction of Sodom and not only Sodom and Gomorrah, but through the cloud and the winds became the total destruction of the area of Mesopotamia, and would you like to tell us about that and Abraham’s role in that event?
Zecharia Sitchin:
Yes, I was afraid you will never ask me. (Audience Laugh)
And one thing that was done, especially at the turn of the century and in the several decades afterwards, was that it wasn’t fashion to analyze the Bible critically. And those critics of the Bible, most of them German scholars at the time, asked such questions as what is the independent evidence that there ever existed an Abraham or even in Moses?
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Some I remember, studying were so clever that they said that there was really never a person Moses, but the stories refer to another one who adopted the name Moses.
So, and that question, especially to me, since I’m a descendant of Abraham, was particularly interested and important. And that is not only was there an Abraham? or am I the product of a myth? but if he was, as I believe that he was, who really was he? why was he instructed to go from his birthplace land, which was Shumer, to another place, stay there? Continue.
You go to Canaan, move fast, as the Bible says, to the Negel. Go to Egypt. And he was, if he was just a nobody, a nomad or some claim he was a - incomprensible - , you know, a sheikh living from being a highway robber.
If he was all that, how come that the minute he came to Egypt, and he was received by the Pharaoh, and we know he was received by the Pharaoh because he instructed his wife what to say and what not to say when he came back from Egypt, another king, a Philistine king, met him and made a treaty with him.
Again, if he was just somebody unimportant, why? So, as I found in the Mesopotamian, Sumerian writings, the earlier, the more original text, dealing with various biblical tales, for example, the tale of the biblical tale of the Tower of Babel is told in Sumerian writings in greater detail.

“Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.” - Genesis 11:1–9
The tale of the Deluge is spread over 12 tablets. I asked myself also if Abraham, according to the Bible, came from Sumer, came from a city called Ur, or as many here pronounce it, but the true pronunciation is Ur.
If he came from there, if he participated in what the Bible describes as an international war, the war of the kings, the kings of the East having raised an army and marched towards Canaan to fight certain Canaanite kings, and Abraham was involved in that, he turned them back, and then when they seized his nephew Lot, he pursued them up to Damascus and defeated them in Damascus, if he was a participant in all these events, if he witnessed, as we are told in the Bible, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, is it really possible that all these sources that served as original much more detailed texts for the other biblical tales, could it be that they really don’t mention Abraham, don’t mention the war of the kings, don’t mention the upheaving of the cities of the plain of the Jordan?
Because if they don’t, I really have a problem, you know? Then who am I? And I did find texts that were uncovered, that were written on tablets such as these in various museums, that not only mentioned the name of Abraham, and I have here two tablets, and these are not replicas, these are the actual tablets.

Original sumerian tablets with inscription: ‘year in which shepherding place of Ibruum was destroyed.’
They are very small because actually, all they were, they were customs receipts. There was a customs station in ancient Sumer, and all the trade had to, the international trade had to pass through there, and the people had to pay duty, and these were their receipts.
Now, luckily for our knowledge of history, what happened there, each receipt ended with an inscription of the date, the day of the month, the month, andthe year. The year was not like 1985 or whatever, the year was named after the major event of that year.
So if in that year, a major temple was built, it says, “year in which such and such temple was built.” If it was a year in which a major war had taken place, it said, “year in which that place was attacked.” It always said that place was destroyed because no king admitted that he may have lost the war; he always succeeded.
It always said ‘that place was destroyed’ because no king admitted that he may have lost the war; he always succeeded. So, one of these tablets has this inscription on it. This is the obverse; this is the reverse. The reverse has the year date, and what these Sumerian cuneiform characters say is ‘MU-NE - - - - ‘ and it means ‘year in which shepherding place of Ibruum was destroyed.
Serie: Nibiru – Zecharia Sitchin and the Ancient Gods

Now, the name of Abraham, before it was changed to a Semitic-sounding name, was ‘Abram,’ and this is the Sumerian ‘ium,’ and this is a tablet from the seventh year of the reign of a Sumerian king called Amar-Sin, who in his record said that in that seventh year, he raised an army to go to the Sinai Peninsula to attack Canaanite cities and to reach the spaceport that was in the Sinai Peninsula at the time.
And he encountered someone blocking his way to the spaceport, not fighting him yet, but just blocking his way, and that was the shepherd, Ibruum-Abraham.
And I have, in my book, a map which I drew that was not found in archaeological sites, which shows the route of the invaders, which shows where Abram, from his headquarters at the place called Kadesh-Barnea, blocked their way to the spaceport. It shows how they turned back and only then actually fought the Canaanite kings, capturing Abram’s nephew, Lot. And how Abram then pursued, and I’ve submitted an article to one of the scientific magazines, showing that Abram actually possessed an elite core of cavalry, which he used to pursue and capture this huge army and overwhelm them, and retrieve or release his nephew.
So, I found in the Sumerian and other Mesopotamian sources the tales of that war, the description of the march, and the destination, the year, the precise year, which was 2041 BC, the seventh year of Amar-Sin, and the admission in that inscription - and there are a few tablets like that, it’s not the only one - that the encounter, the military encounter, was with Ibruum-Abraham
Now, Abram, therefore, participated or was successful in his assignment to ward off any attack on the spaceport, including the site of Jerusalem, which played a major role.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: ‘re you saying he was the appointed guardian of the space station?
Zecharia Sitchin: Defender’ would be a more appropriate word.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Right, and who appointed him?’
Zecharia Sitchin: The one whom he called his Lord.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: And who was that?
Zecharia Sitchin: I’m not prepared to say.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: It had to have been the Nephilim because it’s their spaceport; who else would want it guarded?
Zecharia Sitchin: Well, let’s leave it the way you put it.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: He came from Earth, and he came as a man of high station…
Zecharia Sitchin:
His wife, as far as I could determine, again showing these various sources, he came of a family that was a royal priestly family. What assignment that family had in Ur, I explain in my book.
That’s how Abram grew up in Ur; he was not born in Ur, he was born in Nippur, and I explained the rest of his mission and why he was selected. And also, once the Sumerian civilization was destroyed by the nuclear cloud, why it was he and his descendants who were chosen, and that is the meaning of the chosen people: chosen to uphold, continue, maintain, and keep on Earth the space civilization, the seed that will continue the preordained plan that is carried from one solar system to another.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet:
Are you saying that you revealed this in your book, “Wars of Gods and Men”?
Zecharia Sitchin:
I don’t know if I reveal it, but I say it, and to the extent of time, maybe the first one saying it, maybe it is a disclosure.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: But you’re not stating which of the gods he is serving?
Zecharia Sitchin:
No, I’m not saying that because I don’t want to say that.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: But basically, the concept is that he is one of the guardians of the guardian shrine.
Zecharia Sitchin: That’s right,
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: and his seed…and their descendants in the Sinai and what…
Zecharia Sitchin:
But, um, to the extent that you put it so personally to me, I think that, certainly, some of the descendants of Abram, perhaps I’m among them, have a role to play in moving this river within which, as I said, the fish individually can twist and turn and live and die and swallow each other or whatever, but the whole stream goes on. And I think that the descendants of Abram are prime movers.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet:
Now, if you take those descendants and see them not only as a bloodline but as reincarnated, all of those who were of Abram reincarnating, then you have a broadening concept of who this seed of Abram might be because they could have reincarnated not necessarily again through the bloodline but through the various nations on the earth, since the prophecy is they’re being scattered.
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, the Hebrews have definitely intermarried over the 4,000 years since Abram, so I don’t think that the genetic code or the genetic memory or whatever it is that makes us, or some of us, just do those things, maybe sometimes even without wanting to do them, this is definitely spread among all the nations. I don’t think that it’s now limited just to somebody who goes to a Jewish synagogue, but it’s probably part of the whole human story now.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet:
Now, I wonder if you consider that the warfare and the rivalries that are so carefully set forth in the Greek mythologies and then on through this record of the use of nuclear energy by the Nephilim and their wars at Sodom, if you think that is at the basis and root of the threatening and hovering of nuclear war today, is there a rivalry going on today?
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, I don’t know if I can speak with the same authority about the current events as I claim to have regarding ancient events. I certainly am not uninformed and not without opinions, but maybe you should get somebody like Reagan and Gorbachev here and question them on that. ( everybody laughs)
Elizabeth Clare Prophet:
But are you prepared to say that any of the Nephilim remained, or any of the Anunnaki, or only those they appointed, such as kings and guardians? And if they’re not here, when are they coming back? Are they coming back with the return of the 12 Planet?
Zecharia Sitchin:
Well, if I’ll answer everything, you will not invite me again [Laughter].
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: That’s what they said to us in Jerusalem
Zecharia Sitchin: Let’s leave it for the next interview.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: When you have your next book with you, your fourth book?
Zecharia Sitchin: I would say in about two years.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: So, that’s when you want to come?
Zecharia Sitchin: I can tell you it’s titled, though, “The End of Days”.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: The end of days?
Zecharia Sitchin: The end of days
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: What days are you referring to?
Zecharia Sitchin: All days. All days. Human days and Nephilim days.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: There’s a lot of endings prophesied in the Bible. We think in terms of the ending of 2000…
Zecharia Sitchin: …to definitely be part of what I base my conclusions on.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Perhaps the beginnings and endings of civilizations are clocked by the cyclic return of the 12 Planet?
Zecharia Sitchin: Probably. Probably…
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: since it has such an impact and is so disruptive.
Zecharia Sitchin: I would agree with you on that conclusion.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: We look to in the concept of reincarnation, a progressive evolution of the soul, a purpose, a union with the supreme god over all the gods of Nephilim and the ones who develop their technological wizardry in spacecraft. And we think in terms of, I think, the Hindu concept, which is also Christian, in terms of ultimately the acceleration or the ascension into a plane of spirit that is beyond this created universe.
And in that sense of it, we think of the end of all days as also the end of, let’s say, of our karma, the balancing of our karma and our evolution in these planes. And that there is an ultimate return and that those who came forth from the supreme being have a divine spark and through that divine spark, they return.
Zecharia Sitchin: That’s, I think, we are saying the same thing in different words.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: So, we like to think that the end of all days is not the annihilation but a point of transcendence.
Zecharia Sitchin: It’s just another beginning
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Hopefully, in a new and higher level.
Zecharia Sitchin: The end is the beginning and the future is the past.
Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Zechariah Sitchin, thank you for being the flame of freedom that speaks at Summit University Forum.
Zecharia Sitchin:Thank you for having.
“…how did they know all that? This was the puzzle that I faced when I found out that this was their extraordinary, amazing knowledge. How did they know about all the planets that could not be seen with the naked eye?
How did they know about this planet Marduk that orbits so far out that certainly cannot be seen?
How did they know, for example, that Earth is the seventh planet?” - Zecharia Sitchin
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